Women Leveraging Intuition In Leadership with Laura Timm

I have my first, I believe, international guest on the show. A beautiful woman inside and out, Ms. Laura Timm born in Estonia, relocated to London in 2010. She’s worked in some industries, fascinating background, which I don’t talk to her about much on the show. Diverse industries including construction, motoring, IT where she’s been able to truly define both the personal and professional expectations in each of them. I can tell you as a woman who’s also worked in construction and building materials industry, it’s quite different. It’s Laura’s remarkable skill to quickly assess situations and come up with effective solutions being the reason why many professionals and business people turn to her for advice. She’s an international speaker. She’s spoken on the same stages as some of the world’s greatest names including Randy Zuckerberg, who is the former Director and Spokesperson for Facebook. George Ross, if you don’t know him, he was on the show, The Apprentice, as one of the judges. Hugh Hilton, the Founding Partner of A&M Capital Real Estate and many others. She’s a well-known international speaker.

I need to highlight for you some of the juiciness in this interview. I truly fall in love with my guests. I spend time listening to their interviews 2 to 3 times sometimes. I can tease out some of the golden nuggets. What I’m seeing about this interview with Laura, the way I would describe her is she’s graceful, but she’s gracious. When you learn about her providing insights around topics such as female jealousy in the workplace, walking into a boardroom where you’re the only woman there, female empowerment, intuition, trusting yourself. Sink into the way she’s cool and collective about handling situations that we all, you and I, could say have experienced and have made us uncomfortable, maybe triggered us. What I love is Laura’s ability to step outside of herself, get curious and ask powerful questions. We dance around on several different topics, but what the through-line is for this interview and it’s referred to several different ways throughout. We talk about vibrations, energies and intuition.

What Laura is meaning in this interview is all of those things being the same thing, depending on how you define it. What words are comfortable for you? This is the most in-depth interview I’ve had around intuition and using intuition in leadership or intuitive management styles. Whether you’re female or male, which I love. She brings up some great stories around men working with women in the workplace and highlighting how they appreciated having worked alongside women who are leveraging their intuition in leadership. Look and listen for that. You’re going to find some powerful perspectives in this interview. I could keep going on, but it’s time to hear from the beautiful, Ms. Laura Timm.

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I wanted to start with something we were talking about when we first met, which is about your approach, your attitude when you walk into a board room or a meeting room. Specifically, a room full of men because I thought it was insightful. How do you think about it? I hear most women say things like, “I feel intimidated. I notice right away that I’m the only woman.” My thought is I’m probably more likely to notice that everybody’s wearing black and I’m wearing red or something. I’m more likely to notice that before I go, “I’m the only woman in the room.” You have a similar sense, if you can take on it.

There’s a small unconscious level of my brain that recognizes that I’m the only female or maybe there’s only one more woman here but that doesn’t matter for me. It’s almost looking at what color of flowers do I have on the table or what the suits people are wearing. You recognize the color or the appearance, but that’s about it for me. I know that everyone in that room is there for a reason. There’s either a problem or there are some ideas that want to be discussed and looked at. We’re all there to look at something together. I don’t even focus on the thought that whether there are how many females in the room or how many men. As soon as I do that, you’d throw the female equation out of the window. We’re all there. We’re all equal. Energetically, sometimes you might feel that there are 1 or 2 men who initially are more masculine and they might take you seriously straight away.

If you allow that to bother you, then everyone could pick up on that energy and you’re going to start making a mistake. You’re going to get shy. You don’t know if you’re saying the right thing. Everyone’s staring at you because you said something that they don’t agree with. If you don’t focus on that and you focus on what you’re talking about, then usually within 10, 15 minutes, the energy completely shifts. Especially when you have something to offer because that’s why you’re in that room. You have the ideas and you have a solution to the problem, then they will start listening to you. It’s been interesting. I’ve had experiences women have been like, “Laura, what was that idea again? That sounded quite nice.” Even if they initially didn’t look at me as someone being taken seriously. When you focus on what you’re doing and what your strengths on, then everyone else would pick that up.

Is this something you intuitively did or you had to train yourself?

Intuitively, I’ve sensed those energies. There have been moments when I’ve been like, “That’s interesting.” I’ve never thought that there’s something wrong with me or that I’m doing something that’s not appropriate or that I’m the odd one out or that I shouldn’t be there. I’ve always thought that, “You’re closed-minded that I am here to ask you. If you’d listened to my idea, you might say of six months of hard work and you might find a solution a lot faster.” They have been clients for example, who I’ve helped and given them a good idea. It has taken them longer, but sometimes you need to figure it out themselves and then they might be like, “You had a good idea. I should have listened to you sooner.” It never bothers me because at the end of the day, that’s their choice, not mine.

What I’m picking up on that I want to give attention to, for the individual reading who struggles with this is that you walk in with the assumption and confidence that you have value to add.

Usually, when you walk into a boardroom, there’s an agenda. You’ve looked at what’s going to be talked about. You’ve maybe done your research and quite often, you’re skilled and then you know to assess that issue or that problem or whatever you’re talking about. Don’t be shy. What happens with women is we tend not to ask questions or not put our ideas forward because we’re afraid that they’re going to sound stupid and make fools of ourselves. I’ve never had that. I always thought that, even if my idea isn’t the best or even if it’s not going to be the one that’s going to solve this problem or issue, I’d rather put it out there. Maybe it helps us come up with even a better idea. Don’t be afraid to ask questions.

Also, voice your opinions because otherwise they will look at you and be like, “Why is this woman here? She’s always quiet. She never said anything. She doesn’t have anything to offer.” You might have much inside of you but you’re scared to use the words and express yourself. You also have to show them that you have the knowledge and the skills to guide you. That’s why a lot of women go wrong. We hold a lot of greatness inside and our girlfriends know about it or people we work with daily might know about it. If you walk into the boardroom, you suddenly feel, “I don’t want to be the one that looks a bit stupid or has a bad idea.” There are no such things as bad ideas. Sometimes the bad idea leads to a great one.

You summed up my show. Unleash your greatness.

If you are in a boardroom and you’re feeling intimidated, you have to calm yourself down. One of the big things is breathing. Breathe because it takes much pressure off you and allow it 5 to 10 minutes. Allow yourself to maybe listen a bit more at the start, but then slowly build up voicing your opinions. If you see that there’s someone who’s looking at you a bit funny or looking at you like, “Why are you here?” look at everyone else. Ignore them. Don’t focus on them. Focus on what you’re talking about and focus on other people who are listening.

What I’m getting from you is it has a lot more to do with what’s going on inside of us than it does the people in the room. That could be a whole room of women and you could be experiencing the same thing.

Let’s say you’re out with a girlfriend. You always know if they’re not feeling great, whether it is sad or maybe they’ve had a hard day. They’re tired, but it’s the same in a boardroom. People pick up on your energy and your mood. You’re sitting there and thinking to yourself, “I’m the only female here. Are they going to listen to me? I don’t know if I should say this or maybe I shouldn’t.” You’re nervous on the inside, but everyone else will feel it, whether you want it or not.

That was the other thing that when I first met you, and I knew I wanted to include this in the interview. You’re talking a lot about energy. Energy, I say like vibration. I’m into quantum physics of you. Believe quantum physics, which is what we’re taught. We’re all made of energy. When did that come about for you? Has that been a whole life thing? Has that been a later in life thing?

It started when I was younger, but I’ve learned to listen to it and to pick energies up a lot more and listen to my body and how it’s reacting. If something doesn’t feel right then either someone’s not truthful or maybe I’m not dealing with the right people. You need to listen to your body because your body gives you a lot of signals. We usually don’t listen and it’s the same as we talk about going to fitness training. You are building up the muscle and it’s the same with energies. Unless you listen to that and you don’t know what the signs are. Sometimes you might have a meeting and you walk out of the meeting and you have this bad headache and you’re drained of energy. You might focus on the fact that, “I didn’t have enough coffee. I had a bad breakfast. I didn’t sleep too well.”

Maybe it was the people that go to that room. Maybe you don’t know details or maybe they’re a person whose less truthful, an energy vampire. Little things over the years, my mom always encouraged me to trust myself ever since I can remember. She was always a bit more open to spirituality and energies and she read some spiritualist magazines. Not that I can remember a lot of it, but she always encouraged me to trust myself. Even if I made a mistake, she said, “If you make a mistake, you change and do something different and learn from it.” That’s how we often learn from our mistakes. I’ve gotten better over the years. I’m usually quite good at being selective with people energetically.

I can walk into a room and I know who I want to speak to, who I want to have as minimum contacts as possible. Just because our energies don’t match, there’s nothing wrong with the people or the person that I don’t want to spend that much time with. I don’t feel that we’re energetically in the same place. We can say that everyone has their people, they’re not my people. You could call them mistakes or lessons. I’ve had a couple of people that I’ve worked with and I tried hard to make the partnership work or the business work. It was hard going. When I decided to step away because I stepped away from some of those situations, I realized that first of all, they were lessons. It was a great lesson for me to trust myself. Also, notice those energies in the future and know what the signs are, what the feeling is telling me.

Can you think about a time when you look back like exit a partnership? When you look back, you remember what? Hindsight is 20/20. You look back and you said, “The signals were there but I didn’t listen.” What were the signals or what did you think to yourself, which is coming up that you can see in retrospect?

This one particular that I have in mind is interesting because women are meant to support each other, which isn’t always the case. When you have supportive women, it can be amazing. There was this one case, the first sign didn’t come from me. It came from a friend of mine who mentioned to me, “Your business partner is jealous of you because of the relationships that I had with other people naturally.” She told me, “Your business partner’s jealous because you bond with people on a different level and she doesn’t.” I heard what she said and I was like, “I’m sure that’s not the case.” At one point, it wasn’t energetic initially. It was more of things that she wouldn’t answer the phone calls. She would start not answering emails. It was hard to reach her.

If you’re in a business partnership, you need to talk about things. Initially, I thought that there’s something that I’m not doing. I sat her down a couple of times and I started feeling that energy wasn’t there. I sense that she’s avoiding me and there’s something behind the scenes she’s not telling me. When I sat her down in a nice manner and I would ask her about these things, she’d be like, “Everything’s fine.” At one point, I had tried hard to make it work that I decided, “This isn’t working for me.” Plus, there were other things with the partnership where I realized that the values that I had and that person had were not in line.

One of the biggest lessons for me was the fact that pick those signs up less sooner. Secondly, it was almost like a test from the universe, whether I was willing to sacrifice my values and my beliefs, the way that business should be run and the way that the partnership should work or not. I remember when I stepped away and I made that final choice and decision, it was such a relief and I felt that the universe said to me, “You passed the test.” It was the best decision ever but I worked hard. I try to force it to work.

Don’t you think we do that a lot as women? Do you see that more in women than men? I do. We take it out until it escalates to a point. Usually, we do exactly what you said. We put it on ourselves. That’s something that we could be doing differently and we let it escalate until it’s urgent.

Funny enough, what this partnership, that woman was putting it on me. When I asked her, she would tell me that there was something that I did wrong, that I made her feel in a certain way, which isn’t me at all. All of my friends would be shaking their heads. It’s like, “No. That’s not something that you do.” It was all about her insecurities. That’s for her to deal with. I have no issues with her. I’m happy for her to learn her lessons when she’s ready. We do tend to blame ourselves that it’s our fault. It often happens when both sides aren’t willing to sit down, talk about things and even agree to disagree. To find common ground or find the way forward. This person wasn’t willing to find a way forward. I was willing to find a way to make things work and figure out what she’s not happy with and things that I’m not happy with. Find a mixture that works for both of us. It works both ways. It’s not a one-way street.

You touched on a subject that I’m also curious to dive a little deeper into when women don’t support women. Maybe give another example or have you run into it often?

Luckily, not too often. I’m blessed to have some amazing women in my life. Starting from my mom, my grandma, my aunt, my best friend and some amazing international speakers who are close friends. I have some amazing friendships. All women, who were supportive and who are cheering for you when you’re succeeding, whether it’s in life or whether it’s in business. I’ve been around women who are in the field of women and female empowerment, who are saying the right things that you rise by lifting each other and helping each other. As soon as you get a bit ahead of them, I don’t know what you get.

A PR article released somewhere and they had an article where you can see they’ll suddenly not smile. They’ll smile and you can tell that they’re like, “I should have had that.” I’ve had some situations. I’ve even had women who complained to a colleague of mine that I didn’t spend enough time with them. I even reached out and then that woman said, “Laura, I love to spend more time with you.” It was all jealousy. It’s not a nice feeling, especially when you’re genuinely happy for people. You can be on the cover of Fortune or whatever magazine. I’ll genuinely be happy.

It doesn’t take anything away from me. If someone achieves something that I don’t have, I’d be like, “I want that, but I’m going to work for it. You’ve done great and I’m happy for you. I’m pleased with you.” I also think that everything happens at the right time for the right reasons. If there is something that someone is achieving that you don’t have, don’t be jealous. Think like, “Maybe I can do something different. That’s something that I would love to achieve. How can I do that?”

Do you believe that’s what’s going on a lot of times as they’re seeing things in you that they want and that they’re probably holding themselves back from?

Partly, but maybe it’s the Estonian in me because I’m from Estonia, but I’ve lived in London for the last few years. The fact that I make things look easy, people don’t realize how hard I work behind the scenes. Over the years, I’ve worked until 4:00 AM, finishing the presentation and then having to deliver it at 8:00 AM. They don’t know how hard I’ve worked. The amazing thing with women is you put on a nice dress or your business suit, makeup and hair, and you look like you’ve slept eight hours, but maybe you won’t have an hour. Especially with me, I’ve spoken at events where I’ve gotten out of bed an hour before the speaking engagement because I’d been unwell and I’ve gone and done my speaking. No one would even know unless I told them. I make things look quite easy, which then makes some of the women that I’ve had on my journey at different times feel, “I want that. That looks easy. Why don’t I have it?”

I’m thankful you said this. I have had this experience many times in my life. The words, “It’s easier for you, Michelle. It’s easier for you, Laura, because,” fill in the blank. What would you say to those women?

The sad part is that they need to realize this themselves. They need to work on themselves first. Unless that light bulb hits them, they’ll continue the same pattern. It’s partly self-sabotage as well. It means that they don’t have to work as hard.

They’re holding themselves back in something.

They’re finding many excuses and reasons why it never happens to them and why it’s unfair.

I’ll toss this out there for anybody reading going, “Don’t you sound high and mighty?” I’ll say I’ve had those thoughts too where I look at somebody and I go, “You have what I want. Why can’t I get it?” I’ve learned that what we’re saying is, “I had to do some inner work.”

I’m never going to say that. I’ve never had a feeling that someone has something that I feel like, “I want that. Why don’t I have it?” I’ve always been able to still be happy for them. They have something that wasn’t meant for me. They didn’t take it away from me. That’s what we forget. You weren’t taken away from an opportunity. You need to go out there and find that opportunity and sometimes you do the inner work and the opportunity comes to you instead. Unless you do that work, you’re sitting there and waiting for things to happen.

When you get the signals, when you get the intuition is what I think you’re saying. Where does it come for you? It’s different for everybody. Mine comes on my arms and my upper back.

It’s hard for people to understand. It’s a combination of feeling it and seeing it without having a proper visual. It’s almost my unconscious mind has seen this picture that I don’t see physically. Maybe my gut is more the way I feel it, but I feel it. It’s interesting. I was thinking about this example. I was on a holiday in the south of France with a friend of mine a couple of years ago and we had rented a car. At the end of the evening, we parked the car up to go for dinner. As soon as we parked up, I instantly said, “Park on the other side of the road. Let’s not park here.” I couldn’t explain why. My friends looked at me and he was like, “Don’t be silly. This is fine.” It was one of those moments that I was like, “Maybe I am being silly.”

We go and we have dinner and we come back. Someone had vented the door side of the car. My friend looked at me and he was like, “Next time, we need to listen to you when you have your intuition and gut feelings.” The funny part is that if we would’ve parked on the other side of the road, he would have been like, “Nothing happened. It’s all fine.” Maybe you can call it these lessons unless you have these moments where you’re like, “I didn’t listen to my intuition,” then you wouldn’t know that, “That was my intuition telling me something. Next time when I feel that, I should behave or act differently.”

That’s why I want to talk about this and I’m asking people that I interview about it because we all have this. It’s going to the gym for developing your intuition. Women especially feel it and shut it out, but it’s strong. It can be used for much good in your business, career growth and your life.

Especially women in the corporate world, is that something that you go and talk about? You suddenly feel like you won’t be taken seriously or people will be like, “She’s a bit cuckoo. She’s not quite there. She’s a bit too spiritual. She talks about these intuitions and these feelings that you get.” I’ve also met this amazing man who I’ve had these incredible conversations with who’ve been mentored by CEOs who have been women. They’ve said that they admire women’s ability to listen to the gut feeling or intuition and know what the right decision is. There are certain men out there and I can say a couple of those are good friends. You can talk to them about anything and everything without feeling for a moment that they’ll look at you a bit funny. It’s quite enjoyable when they also talk about their intuition and their experiences. You can look at them and smile and be like, “You know exactly what I’m talking about.”

Do you think it’s stronger in women versus men? Do you think it’s how we’re raised?

I think so, especially with the men that I know who I’ve had these conversations. They’ve said this themselves that women seem to have a stronger connection because we are more emotional and we feel more. That makes it easier for us to tap into those energies or vibrations, but also we listen to our feelings more. We’re more in tune with that side of us.

They specifically described it as our feelings. They don’t call it our intuition, they call it our feeling.

It depends. Some of them might say intuition, but it’s whatever word makes them feel more comfortable. We can talk about energy or vibration, whatever words that person resonates, what better that works for them.

They have it. The main point is the human condition has this ability and it can be developed.

It’s taken me a long time, but I was lucky that my mom always encouraged it and I had the self-confidence when I was younger to trust myself and not dealt myself as much as a lot of my peers did.

Talk to me more about that because you can see that when you look back. How did it show up? This could be an effective area to share because whoever’s reading has young daughters.

It was a lot of inner dialogues. I remember talking to myself about decisions or things that I was experiencing. A lot of it for me at the time was about what’s right and what’s wrong. Also, about the fact that am I going to make a choice and decisions because that’s what everyone else is expecting me to do especially kids my age. Am I going to be true to myself and not do things that I’m not comfortable with? Not popular choices. I ended up mainly choosing what was right for me. Even if there were certain instances when I chose something that was more of a popular choice, then at that moment I’d be like, “I went against what I usually do when what’s good for me. I’m not going to do that next time.” It is much about reflecting on my actions as well. If I felt bad about what I had done, then I knew that next time I’m not going to sacrifice my opinions or what works for me and do what everyone else wants to do.

That is not something I developed when I was young. If you’re reading and you’re like, “Me neither,” then there’s hope for you.

I had a lot of those discussions with myself and a lot of inner reflection when I was even 7, 8, 9. I remember I had a lot of tea with my mom in the evenings. I would talk about things. I didn’t tell my mom everything, but there were certain things that I could talk to her about. That was key for me with my mom. I’m grateful for it as well that she would listen to me and give me her opinion. She would always tell me, “Laura, this is your life. These are your decisions and your choices and you’ll either learn or you won’t, but you need to make up your mind.” At one point, I need to write a book about my mom and title it as Things That My Mom Taught Me or something. She’s been the greatest mentor and spirited, opinionated and headstrong. She’s always allowed me to grow into my person.

What a gift and you’re sharing that gift with other moms and other women because to hear that helps me understand more about why I’ve struggled in certain ways. Maybe I didn’t have that experience.

With my mom or even other people, I call myself a sponge and that’s what I was like. I would always observe people and listen to different conversations. I spent a lot of time amongst grownups. When you have family, friends over or you have big family dinners, I was the kid who always stayed up late listening to the conversations that grownups would have. I was fascinated and I didn’t want to go to bed. I’m not kidding you. There were times when everyone would be up and it’s 2:00 AM and I’m tired. I would say, “I’m going to go and lie down for ten minutes. I’ll be back,” and I wouldn’t be back. I was fascinated by the topics they were discussing. I was taking it all in and I would have those discussions or in my mind thinking that. “What would I do?” I think about like, “At first it wasn’t right, but that’s okay. That’s their opinion.” I had those. I was reflecting a lot from the conversations and experiences. I was thinking about how would I behave and react, why people would maybe think the way they did and why they would behave in a certain way. I would always reflect that maybe they’ve had experiences and that’s why they’re behaving in a specific manner in a way.

That’s a high-level of emotional intelligence from early on. You are probably a top student of the human condition. 

I have a long way to go.

What I know about that though is that it makes you a great leader because when you can do that for yourself, you’re leading much more powerfully, you’re more confident inside. That can funnel down to the people around you. Do you agree?

I do agree. You understand people a lot better, understand where they might be coming from, what they might be experiencing. There’s a book that I enjoyed reading, which is about personality types. It’s called Personality Plus. What I love about this book is that it has the main full personality types. It’s written in such easy reading, funny way. I was reading this book and I was giving away on the plane and I would be nodding to myself like, “That’s me when I was growing up.” It has these little stories that you can read and understand and relate to, but it also helps you understand what personality type you are mainly. I liked the flexibility. It says that all of us have a certain percentage of all of those four personality types.

We usually have 1 or 2 dominant sites. Also, those percentages might change over the years because of your experiences. You might be changing as a person. It’s such a great book to first understand yourself and understand others. It’s interesting when you read this book, it can be such an eye-opener how other people see you. Sometimes you might be thinking that you were clear about what you wanted and at the end of the day to come back to you, you’re like, “That’s not what I was saying. I was saying something completely different.” This book helps people open the door to understanding. “Maybe I’m not expressing myself the way I thought it was.” Also, it helps them understand other people.

I remember reading this book years ago and having a conversation with someone. I completely understood where they would be coming from and if in the past I would have not being as open to the way they were expressing themselves and talking about the topic. I was smiling and I felt relaxed because I understood like, “That’s the way they are expressing themselves and it’s perfectly okay.” You can build rapport and a deeper connection with people and understanding. It works both ways because as soon as you’re more open, they will naturally become more open.

It sounds like a great book for families or teams or both.

It’s for everyone. It’s such fun reading. It’s written beautifully. It’s not one of those books that you’re picking up and is like, “It’s too hard and I don’t get it.” It’s the opposite.

Do you remember the author?

It’s Florence Littauer. I love this book. It’s one of my favorites and I’ve recommended it to a lot of people that I’ve worked with and business owners. It’s key for business owners to be able to speak, understand and relate to their staff members as well.

Is there anything, Laura, that we didn’t talk about that you’re urging to get this message out to women building their careers or to people about themselves? What’s your wisdom? 

We touched on the key points when it comes to women. Don’t focus on the fact that you’re a woman in the room. You’re a woman, you’re amazing, but you’re an individual and in value. You will be taken as an equal if that’s what you focused on and speak up. It’s funny, there have been loads of research done. For example, if you hire someone and your negotiating salaries, it’s only 3 out of 10 women who will ask for a higher salary. The rest of them will say like, “Whatever you are offering me, I will accept.” Men, it’s the opposite. It’s 7 or 8 men out of 10 will negotiate the highest salary straight away and they’re not going to settle for less. Women need to speak up when it’s to do with salaries or in the boardroom. That’s something to look at. Also, we touched on energies and vibrations and it’s important for whoever’s reading, whatever works for you better.

I talk about energies, but I also talk about vibrations. If you feel that energy is the right word for you and that’s more comfortable for you, that’s perfectly okay. We can have a name and it’s a different feeling. It doesn’t matter. Start listening to yourself. When you make mistakes, start reflecting. How did I misunderstand this situation? Why is it something that I’m constantly doing? Is it my pattern? Is it something I could do differently? Reflecting is a key thing as well. That’s where the inner change starts and you grow as an individual. It’s interesting, once you learn those smaller lessons, you become lighter. You see things more easily. Even dealing with problems becomes a lot easier.

Thank you, Laura.

It’s my pleasure. Thank you for having me.

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Wasn’t that amazing? I would love for you to reach out, share in the comments. What stood out to you most? For me, I’ve been using and tapping into intuition for quite some time. I feel like that was something strong in me, even when I was a young girl, but I pushed it down. That necessarily wasn’t jumping off the page. What I loved in this interview that I was reflecting on a little bit more is, I haven’t spoken with anyone yet, or no one’s called it out anyways. The topic of female jealousy in the workplace. Laura, she’s gracious and I loved what she said. I want to give more space to it. When that’s come up, I reflect and I say, “If I’m feeling jealous of someone else, nothing has been taken away from me. Why am I feeling that way?”

The importance of recognizing that she still felt happy for the other person. The reason that I wanted to give more space to this is I know you and I have both experienced this. I don’t think you grow up in the world without feeling this from somebody in your life, whether that’s specifically jealousy in the workplace or if it’s from a best friend on the playground or your mom. I’d love for you to share in the comments and reach out and write and let me know what’s resonating. What’s hitting home? What are you thinking about after listening to that interview? It’s left me with a few things and a few opportunities to reflect and ways to become more curious about my reactions and actions. Beautiful lady, we will talk to you soon.